Whoop whoop

So looking at those changes and the reimbursement... having a number of supercap alts purely trained to sit in supers, that's gonna be one of the "tough" ones at the time of the reimbursement since they have neither BC or DS skills - what happens when these pilots log on without the skills?

Can I assume they will work just as they do today, as long as you got the titan skill, you can fly it regardless if you lost the BS skill or similar (yes has happened to me).

Or maybe that's answered by the last section... if I can fly it..

/c

Tldr? :D

Overall it looks awesome, but I have two questions:

1. Something that I always wondered was, why do you display multiple instances of the same skill requirement in skill trees? For instance, new Command Ships will require 4x Leadership I and 1x Leadership V - imo all that information is redundant. Even with nested skills, surely that list could be tidied up?

@Fozzie: Freighters 5 as prereq for JF is gonna be a pain in the arse, good that I am set.

Good that the needed skills to fly a ship correctly are now in the ship requirements like DD for titans and Warp Dis Gen for HICs.

According to your explanation, shouldn't the DD prereqs (like Science V, EPW V and AWU V) also be added to the titan?

edit:
Also Fighter V and EW V for supercarriers

Brain is tired, missed something in that read: if i have frigate5/cruiser5 (across all races already) battlecruisers 5 and destroyers 5 making me able to fly all the damn ships, what the hell happens to all my skills?

You sure that shouldn't read Aeon there?

Please change it to "The prereq to training a skill is having that skill injected". Reason: Ive already trained the needed prereq skills under the old system in order to get the skill under the old system. Ive paid my dues. Telling me to pay them again is not cool. The only way to make it cool would be to reimburse those prereqs no longer needed so I can move the SP to the new ones that are needed. But that would be a huge can of worms.

Or give them different roles: Speed, survivability, volume, fleet hangar, fitting service, etc.

Oh and another thing, I would like to have the time spent training to mining barge V back please since you are removing it and making it way to easy to fly an Orca.

Big question:

The tiercide was based on removing the ship classification on tiers, ballancing their power and putting them into "roles"...

What will happen to the T2 ships? they wil have roles too?

Advanced role - Makes the ship a better version of the T1 ( Assault, logistic, etc...)

Expecial role - Modiffy the ship into something New. (covert ships and dictors.)

or they will stay the same as they are today? without classification? Don't you think that T2 ships need a batter classification ?

Wow will there be any reimbursement on the Iteron 5 industrial skill now only needing lvl 1 to fly it?

Apologies if this has been asked/answered already:

But for those of us that trained up BS to V to fly capital ships (or any other skill training such as this), are we to get reimbursement for the time/SP trained that you are now nerfing? Because what you're doing is making it easier for new people to get into these ships, while we spent all this time training for them in the first place, so shouldn't we get some form of SP reimbursement/compensation for this? Are we going to see this, or is it only for the racial Destroyers and BC skills?

Isn't it a little counter-intuitive having to skill cloaking if you want to fly a non-cloak bonused combat recon?

I missed that one in the changes.
If that is accurate, it is stupid beyond all words.

I have an idea...how about we scrap all pre-requisites all-together.
You want to fly a Caldari frig..no problem, learn Caldari Frig I.
You want to also fly a Gallente Titan, also no problem, just buy that skillbook and learn Gallente Titan I, no pre-requisites.

This easing of skill restrictions is ridiculous.
I know CCP wants more new players in fancy ships faster, and want to close the gap hard between high skilled and low skilled players, but these changes are a making a farce of well thought out skill plans.

Regarding the part of
Carriers and Supercarriers:

Racial Carrier requirements on the Archon, Wyvern, Nyx and Hel have been reduced from 3 to 1
Capital Ships requirement on all Carriers and Supercarriers increased from 3 to 4
All racial Battleship requirements on Carriers and Supercarriers reduced from 5 to 3
Adding the Jump Fuel Conservation skill at 4 as prerequisite
Adding the Jump Drive Calibration skill at 3 as prerequisite (which itself requires the Jump Drive Operation skill trained at 5)

(And it's fancy archon picture with training times)

Will carriers be changed to have all those jump drive skills neccesary as well? Or just supercarriers? Because I feel that normal carriers don't require all those extra jump drive skills, while they do feel kinda, needed, for supercarriers. Seeing how dreads don't require them either.

I am confused by your blog, actually. Sorry.

It's because you posted screenshots of the ship prerequisites, but my brain works along the lines of "train this skill for this ship," but you haven't posted any of the skill screenshots.

I'm sitting in game, trying to compare the Amarr Carrier skill prerequisites with the actual Amarr carrier, the Archon, and it's confusing:

Amarr Carrier skill prerequisites:
1: Capital Ships 3
2: Amarr Battleship 5
3: Drone Interfacing 5

Archon prerequisites:
1. Capital Ships 1
2. Amarr Carrier 1
3. Jump Drive Operation 1

Why isn't the skill Amarr Carrier listed as the PRIMARY prerequisite for the ship? It's listed as secondary.

Why does the ship require Capital Ships 1 when the skill for it requires Capital Ships 3?

For the list of skills for the ship, why don't you list all the Amarr Carrier skill sub-prerequisites under the skill itself (currently in he Secondary requirements)? Why do you split the skills that are prerequisite for the skill Amarr Carrier all over the place inside the Archon list?

This carries over to the "AFTER" screenshot you have posted for the Archon, making it even more confusing. Because you added the additional skills to the Secondary category.


Here is what would make sense to me for "Archon, AFTER:"

Primary Skills:
Amarr Carrier 1
+ all the prerequisites for that skill

Secondary Skills:
Jump Fuel Conservation 4
+ JFC skill prerequisites
Jump Drive Calibration 3
+ JDC skill prerequisites

Tertiary Skills:
Fighters 1?
Fighter-Bombers for the super-carrier?
other skills?
or no tertiary at all


Your categories of Primary, Secondary, and Tertiary don't make sense, for ships.

For skills, the categories kinda make sense.

But for ships they are a mess.